Is this the Guadalajara you want? 
Felipeno:
¿Es así la Guadalajara que quieres?
Patricia Karenina:
¿y las bicis?...y ¿¿la relación justa entre auto y peatón???...
Tessie Solinis Casparius:
La vida en los "render´s" siempre es más bonita, y ese puente se parece mucho al trabajo de Calatrava debo confesar mi poca fe en la elaboración de este tipo de proyectos, por otro lado, tengo en la SEDEUR buenos amigos y mejores arquitectos así que, esperemos que todo salga bien.
Aunque la prioridad sería apostarle a un sistema de transporte colectivo seguro y eficiente, insisto. Tessie
Solinis Casparius:
(I should clarify that my lack of faith is not in Calatrava, but in the implementation of projects by the federal, state and local ..)
Santiago Baeza: A photo
alone can not represent my city.
Jeffrey Perez:
since this is the best photo, though they climb what has been done in the last 10 years with this city I would to mourn.
let it go,
Felipeno:
No, can not represent "our" city. Model can only represent pro-automobile city that promotes the current government budget and the burden it represents.
Frank Lozano:
That and also the shared public space, it presupposes the existence of cars, bicycles, pedestrians, people with disabilities and others. That is, a city where some do not exclude the other but where we live in order and respect.
Diego Mendez:
In the movie The Field of Dreams, Kevin Kostner's character hears a voice saying: "If you built it, They Will Come" referring to his dream of a baseball field. Unlike that dream, here we offer a nightmare returns to be aggressive to humans and friendly to the car. I think if we continue to bridges and tunnels and highway nodes then come more cars. So I say: If you build it They Will Come ... We follow this game with the infinite interaction and saturate the city of cars, or bet on good public transport system once and for all.
Gerardo Montes De Oca:
Toing! ... one photo ... in order. For my side as I see it is not a photo, an image ... and its function is represented, which, beyond the myth of representation as resemblance, is responsible for conceptualizing (unless you take mere charcoal drawing classes and then present a "draft" representative "of ...) . Conceptualizations never happen in a vacuum, have a background ideological cultural, political, etc ... context ... and
Karla Preciado Robles:
I like the part of the no pollution and no moles of concrete 10 stories high ... transparent but the trees do not convince me ...
On the other hand, I see three different routes for cars (lateral, middle lane and beyond the high) and, says Karenina, no room for bike lanes or BRT, which would be interesting. Apart
like to know where you plan to put this little project, safety pin is not for Polanco ...
Gerardo Montes De Oca:
For my part, clear picture that tells me a lot of the city project that the "creators" propose, and if you read beyond the mere impression retinal, and comes to the visual experience, as one can see that he is literally giving way to a higher total density of cars, faster, etc ... that is, just because it has a cablecito that culturally there are for first-world cities and the project of "development" of "other" no longer a kind of second floor / ring road but re-presents (Kesko) nice . Of course, some angles "aka" pseudo-innovative, and of course can not miss the two that three people walking with an air of happiness and lightness that what barbarian, what city so sustainable! uffff! And what about that like halo God who comes in perfect angle to the design of these "Arkis" (rather arke-arki-group types)-rendering is the same as did the editor of the magazine's Witnesses ..? -
Frank Lozano:
Felipeno, I called the attention they deny their own achievements as a group in which you participate, the bike paths, the master plan for non-motorized mobility, commitment to the Macrobus talk that the government has gradually adopted different views with car, your statement does not reflect this, and anger is visceral, it seems to propose a false choice between car versus car and do not call to recognize the right that everyone has to choose an option to move, the demonization of the other is the constant and from that platform there is no debate: it's all an act of Faith, "I believe" Tessie Solinis
Casparius:
this bridge cable-stayed "would be in Lopez Mateos and Lázaro Cardenas ... in a country with no buildings, no people ... just "pure case"
Gerardo Montes De Oca :
Anyway ... what makes me that even if divine command, right? While the city where image is impeccably clean, with no potholes or puddles ... What puddles without floods! Anyway, now I'm wondering if the image means that to get to "project" will have first solved such (and many more) deficiencies in public works?? No bumps, no pollution, transportation "public" efficient, floods, etc. Ah, so masterly a city project that has no traffic!
The trouble is that the bikes and the social and cultural dynamics there do not fit in the picture there is NOTHING of social life ... traffic only (magically light) cars, good sun, some trees pa to display the "big" environmental concern, and that's it.
That is not the city I want.
Karla Preciado Robles:
and cars apart lol fucking half
Alejandro Guerrero:
good, the picture does not lie: There are more cars that people, that's the promise. In the future renders may include something more than friendly. For example the sound. How would the "film score" in this picture?
You already know.
Dolores Garnica:
But I do not see there any "bike path, or a master plan for non-motorized mobility nor the commitment to Macrobus" Could it be that the views of the Government are as transparent as the trees? "Only the smart ones can see those commitments in the picture? By the way, I am a concrete column ...
Gerardo Montes De Oca: Undoubtedly
cars and more cars, buses and more buses, horns and more horns ...
And that Macrobus think that a car is something other than, wow! Then they hidden donkey? (Well, actually). And of course, nothing and nobody is neutral, so I see no surprise here. Also, do not be naive or cynical, because freedom of choice to a certain mode of mobility is not fair or partner. In addition, criticize and suggest something more than "options" is not demonize ... is concerned with the true freedom of choice, by the way collective decisions are made for damage caused by pollution, etc ... An example, if I understand here is that ca 'who chooses whether bike or car ... and children? older adults? disabled? sick? people with special needs? ... aaaaay, but it sure is only an act of faith. One day they have to fly.
Frank Lozano:
My dear Dolores, do not see precisely because they are not, precisely because it is a reder of a suspension bridge, not the project of 300 kilometers of bicycle paths that have considered doing in the metropolitan area Guadalajara for years to come, nor shown the way recreation, a space designed and donated by citizens and adopted by the government do not appear, nor will the hundreds of truck routes that have stopped running for the creation of Macrobus, or the hundreds that in the future will to do with the line two;
Frank Lozano:
recreational parks do not appear that currently makes the municipality of Guadalajara, and San Jacinto Park, brand new, or the park Juan Soriano, and the new public spaces that made in the Lomas del Paraiso, or linear parks in Zapopan, or the widening of sidewalks, pedestrian plazas and new have been made over the past 5 years. No, do not appear and there are visible to everyone.
Karla Preciado Robles:
This becomes prickly ... but I think we asked the opinion of this particular project.
Whatever good that may to the municipal government (not to applaud and give you pats on the back, is his work and point) this cable-stayed bridge in an area with so much pollution is cars and more visual, as well as for it going to take the median of Lázaro Cárdenas besides being an important green area (see the tamañón) is a place of recreation for many as there are sports facilities.
Which by the way I am of those affected in this regard because I play (aba) football in there and popcorn and told us that we look elsewhere because they are going to demolish the Bisno ... not fair.
Santiago Baeza:
This is biased, is just render. If the designer had put bikes, the debate would be different. So you can not be serious.
I like to participate in debates and dialogues, as long as they talk seriously about projects that are known. I find it offensive that seek to hold a debate on an image.
Dolores Garnica:
Would not it be "best"-and that government is conscious and pure good intentions and spirit of service and sick-wave buenisisíma include new projects, even a cable-stayed bridge, "a thing "to tell pedestrians who try to cross as Angelica Maria in Yara who are thinking of us for the future? Yes, I agree with Felipe, less works should be designed more for cars and other means of transportation, including the legs ...
Felipeno:
Frank, how good you mention the "achievements of groups such as involving" is to hurt the Salinas campaign involving achievement is awarded as a recreational road or Macrobus and now can seem so attractive to lure innocent voters.
've never heard of me or defamatory comments of rancor, the budget gap between what has been invested in infrastructure pro-car and small sketches of something more intelligent is obvious and is proving harmful to the city. The
"I believe" I'm sorry but you from the reactionary right-wing ideologues with shades of "cool" to suffer.
I hope you feel welcome to comment here and avoid the temptation to fall into mere personal attacks useless.
Gerardo Montes De Oca:
Well, it seems that the lessons of history and philosophy of art does not help much in the "formation" of a few. A picture is not just an image (the monalisa is not only a portrait, and Salgado's photographs are just pictures, or Korda nor the image of Lenin, nor the uncle sam, or image ad or a politician. generated by something ..!) already said, is a re-presentation, therefore a conceptualization, back, or is much of the creators or the "order", his vision in this case of urban development within an economic and polítoco ... while then came here after the club PAN. Render not only render as cheerleaders are not just cheerleaders or neutral ... the bias is not bias, is posturing.
Gerardo Montes De Oca:
Ah, indeed, in the image are not corrupt groups in every work they get a ticket in many ways (whether by change of material of less quality, or studs to invoices or disappearance of documents, etc), or the "sale" of concessions or the arrangement of "friendships" or family projects, or bad planning, or the ridiculous comparison of budgets as mentioned Felipe, and much more ... clearly illegal.
Abraham Jaime Hernández:
One step closer to chaos ...
Karla Preciado Robles:
now appears that the birds you shoot guns ... expect a council candidate (with high potential to become as such) to be more proactive and argumentative rather than use this space to complain about the "lack of seriousness" of the opinions of a group of people that all they seek is a Guadalajara more inclusive.
Excuse me if we take your time and I offend with our discussions based on renders, but in the last public consultation organized by the city council, I forgot the album that gave us the complete project, so you work with what you have. July
Miyo:
I do not want neither that nor have built so far, I want one where the entire political discourse becomes a reality. gender equality, health, safety, housing, decent work, sustainability, field support, mobility, etc, etc, etc. and those who are in charge of all our projects is the people who have genuine respect and love for ALL the people of this city.
that when you make a new project, we feel safe they made the best choice (whether this bridge) and not after we meet again opened with theft, deception, propaganda, inefficiency and poor quality so far has shown.
Dolores Garnica:
I am voting for July Miyo!
Karla Preciado Robles:
SIIIII!
Gerardo Montes De Oca: Blunt
Given Plekto:
Question: Is this the Guadalajara you want?
Answer: NO, no way. More idiots works for cars, money thrown down the drain (or the pockets of thieves always), zero intelligence and long-term vision, no consultation of all citizens (with wheels of car, bike, wheelchair, skateboard, "a leg"), arrogance of architects chafísimos, discussion on an image but does not confirm the idea of \u200b\u200bhaving the brilliant city aesthetes of government planning. Tessie
Solinis Casparius:
Miyo iguanas ... up ... we do not discuss bellyached about a picture, I think we must take seriously what is now causing us laugh, make fun of our destiny as citizens of a deep sadness where we are not taken into account, of what use is having Good architects, friends, promoters of culture if practice imposed by the lack of pants to get into shape to dealers of public transport, if we need to put ourselves in the shoes of pedestrians ...
Render-Image-Idea, discuss about a project "on paper" is the opportunity to make adjustments ... Cuauhtemoc
Regil:
Ugh, of course, nooooooooo! Too much copy and excessive ambition! GDL absurd to think so ... or maybe ...
Natera Luis Guillermo Orozco:
It is not by little the city that I like. Santiago Baeza
Let's see if I can answer why the government QÉ sige betting on this type of project? Dan promoting a double standard his vision of sustainable mobility with Macrobus and then promoting a model city for cars with projects like this (I am not project the image)
And another question for Frank Why PAN appropriated RecreActiva Way? A project initiated by citizens to make a better city Guadalajara.
build dialogue from the society and seek to make a better city Guadalajara.
Santiago Baeza:
Luis Guillermo: Government must bet on development projects at different levels. It is possible that he bet only a partial solution of certain problems.
Along with creating new models of transport, routes extend mobility no power, you should also bet on the modernization of roads for motorized transport.
In fact, we are working to address mobility issues in different ways: the pedestrian sidewalk to walk with dignity in public space, as in the city center.
A network of cycle paths to encourage and protect the users of bicycles and other alternative vehicles.
More and better parks and places for recreation in public space.
A new urban transport system more efficient.
and roads that are better able to vent.
All this for the PAN governments. Santiago
Baeza:
By the way, the way RecreActiva born during a PAN government. We do not appropriate it. Just highlight the initiative of the council that produced it.
Mónica Del Arenal :
hey! RecreActiva road is a project originally citizen who was born in the administration of a party was merely circumstantial ... not forget
Santiago Baeza:
Nothing is accidental. The council PAN generated a huge investment in research and infrastructure to create the path RecreActiva.
It seems dishonest not to recognize the efforts of the council.
Gerardo Montes De Oca:
hahaha ... Santiago, I really do not help: "pan pan pan pan ra ra ra ra", now if you are looking at and not see. In short, if you believe you want to accommodating the words and phrases together like "via RecreActiva" and "government-led PAN" solve your problems of representativeness, ta good for you. Bubbles are bubbles.
Santiago Baeza:
what I mean with the lack of seriousness in the debate. Over and out.
Gerardo Montes De Oca:
Look, if you use a serious tone just because you think it is serious about your speech, you're cheap. If you think that because I mofo of content you do not have my criticism, you're cheap. I think that having the intention to appropriate citizen action on behalf of your party's lack of seriousness and pants, like try any room or discussion like this to make your party promotion, ashamed. Out and change ... pxóximas in elections.
Christian Scott:
guadalajara guadalajara ...
Allegro.
Guadalajara're a whore.
have committed fornication with birds of paradise,
've murdered an Arab ... Read more
Beaten and betrayed your students, your dead Unearthed
to rename.
When I walk the streets find very interesting names, in what way have arrived and that meant for our city?: Moscow, Brussels, Tezozomoc, Freedom, Independence, Island Race, Emiliano Zapata, etc. My walk reveals the intricate mixture to which has been exposed this city, a collage of cultures: French, Creole, pop, suicide, revolutionary, plutocratic, Disneyland, etc. Ojala
Elizondo Peace or a drink you sip,
To orinarte with love, with scorn. Under
hides your buildings last
Secrets,
Cruces and outdated condoms.
Monraz Eduardo Villaseñor:
What a great debate was put together for this picture! Now if I think we are entering democracy, good citizens interested in their city and opine, yes with foundations and logical reasoning, not to passions without acknowledging the efforts made in recent years, is easy to criticize for criticizing mu.
Natera Luis Guillermo Orozco:
Why Santiago delete your comment?
's create a dialogue, questions and seek answers.
What is happening with this photo should happen with the campaigns and politics in general, create dialogue and discussion to find common ground and seek to improve Guadalajara. That citizens think about what is being done in our city and criticize the way in which our public assets are managed. Like recognize when there are works to be recognized (San Jacinto Park can be a good example)
Christian Scott:
'm fully engaged in the search for mobility proposals of each party in Tlaquepaque .... .. and is a hell ... some pages of candidates or have proposed ... that if they have their videos "typical" of the Messiah ... Others have the link
Transparency in construction (and I think that just going to be for months ...)
Mexican political level ... circus and theater ...
Felipeno:
only despair .... Santiago.
is difficult to reasonably defend what is not.
've erased all your comments in a fit of anger, in any form all who have commented and have been tagged with the comment above in your email mail. What case was starting?
The debate was constructive. "Extremists? Where?
Diego Mendez:
A major problem in the city (and country) is that nobody knows where we or anyone can tell me why and how it will GDL in 20 years? Is there a city project? The candidates we are to assume their campaigns will be paved, public safety, jobs etc, these are gentlemen standing. I'll give an example to try to explain my point. If we want the DOF is a city that lives on tourism then all efforts must be directed toward tourism and benefit the people through these efforts, ie for tourist safety, public transport quality, restore traditions, public places, promoting development of certain types of businesses in strategic areas and grow around this dynamic. The same if we want to be a city trader GDL, agriculture, livestock, technology or whatever you want but right now efforts are isolated and all "pull his mill pa water"
Diego Mendez:
And another thing to define is how we live? It saddens me to see the photos of Guadalajara 50 years ago and see how a city was generous in space and ... Read másárboles and flowers. A city almost poetic and pure now let avenues and viaducts just need to put them in fashion like the boxes. The bridge project may be good but please not at the expense of more trees and space for humans. Do not let the city become a concrete slab. I miss the cool shade of the rubbers in Lopez Mateos how to love a city that seems to hate you? Myriam
Vidriales:
What a good chat. I say that to show a button called Villa Panamericana. The problem, beyond this bridge does not contribute much to the city, is that architects draw one thing and the builders actually do another. Enough to buy mirrors.
Mónica Del Arenal :
Just curious: is there anyone who dares to defend the mind projects that emerged from the discussion? anonymous? Felipeno plane or, just label the complainers and extremists? Victor Ramos
:
is true that we have a joint project of the city we love. And the authorities did not bother to ask. This coming July 5th we will not ask directly about the city we love but about the government we want. It is a good opportunity to give a twist to the visions "cement." Let him backwards. Victor Ramos
presidential candidate for Convergence GDL Mpal
Diego Méndez:
Leave the "joint project of the city we want," not even there is a "tax on a city project." We're just going to drift and do a little bridge here today, tomorrow some arches "nice" there because the "artist" is my friend, after a truck "pa I do not bother the poor," then a carrilitos "pa shake off the the bike "and there I'll take it. But all this leads to a total or comprehensive solution to the problems of the city? Will there be a moment everything will click and things will work? as when a retailer puts the latest gear and everything begins to walk. I hope so, that these valuable efforts some are articulated and relate to each other. If not, we are building a Frankenstein city. Daniel Neufeld
:
To be more realistic image lacks the concrete posts all graphite, asphalt street with toast and a PET containers and bags of chips on the ridges, oh and throw a few trucks smog to pedestrians, that itself would be the city that I know. If you do not believe me see the same Lazaro Cardenas Avenue at the height of the Nogalera, where is the Comex. Instead of giving maintenance to the already done is to invest in these cuties, the SWR can also paint the blue right? Another dose of urban decay, goodbye to the eucalyptus of the ridge. Well, put ashes of 20 thousand pesos, of course ... Magdalena Yañez
Nepos:
that is?? is horrible!
Omar Noel Castillo:
As the city looks clean, no traffic chaos, with no pollution, people walking, maybe if it's a good Guadalajara, because we have now or how to defend it, or as we like and not like living here, without planning, each organization by his side and finally a fucking city.
Karla Preciado Robles:
How do we want?
I do want to Guadalajara. And because so much is that I love her better.
He misses a lot, yes, very much, but steps are being taken (from citizenship because of the political class or by mistake).
rather must now ask, this small project that we are all attacking already been approved and about to begin ... What are we going to do about it? Or just let us complain about facebook?
Gerardo Montes De Oca:
Very true, do something, concrete action on this bridge. Rossana
Reguillo:
Is it possible to think of a city project outside the country? ... And is it possible to consider a draft country, only next to or within the party structures and government? ... I think not ... so I think from reading your interesting comments, is that the "photo" or "render" and the question that triggers and unleashes debate shows that there are "muscle" and desire to build public space and right in the debate, is that projects are built, the need to dissent, in the utopia that moves us cotidiantamente ... who would weigh it though ... Guanatos is not a self-enclosed space to imagine you have to imagine the country we want ...
Mónica Del Arenal :
I know, Felipeno ... I said because it is very difficult to defend the indefensible. And yes, it's just a snapshot, but it has form (which may seem more or less attractive), and very deep ... Lucero Ramirez
:
"In a city not wanted because it is beautiful, but because he wants you embellish" Gilbert K.
Chesterton.
Omar Noel Castillo:
And all this is that conteplado Guadalajara where many of us would live or joke ... or just the Guadalajara that has cable TV, internet, electricity, water, that we believe is Guadalajara. Jérémie
Haasse:
Lopez Mateos Avenue needs a commuter train passing through the city ... this road is already a monster, impossible to walk across a natural ...
no more bridges! ... No more overpasses! ... No more overpasses!
train train train train ... and more! Victor Ramos
:
current governments say they have no money to drive trains. The short-term investments do not solve the problems of fondo.Sí no resources. What is required is to be applied in funding priorities. You have to put on 5 July. Victor Eduardo Ramos
Monraz Villaseñor: Hummer
and papa? Aristotle.
Diego Mendez: Viewing
Although the project is nice. It looks like the movie Cars. Says a friend of the van station wagon with wood doors is ternurita. Insurance is the girl's grandmother rail peugeot 206 central.
